âWe might find the abandoned furnace room, or the old Civil War amputorium!â â Malcom in the Middle
No problems in this map. None at all. Everything is as right as rain . . .
The following is (more or less) a discussion that occurred over several days as we sat in the hot tub. Iâll note that our speculation reflects things that we as observers and students of history and current events think are might happen, not what we want to happen. Itâs edited for clarity and readability â itâs not a transcript, itâs a blog post. In some cases a half an hour of conversation is only a sentence or two.
Honestly, this speculation is chilling enough to use as an air conditioner on a hot day . . . . Previous posts similar to this can be found here at The Coming Civil War (United States), Cool Maps, and Uncomfortable Truths, The Coming Civil War Part II, and a (Possible) American Caesar,and Immigration, Freedom, Wealth, Corruption, and More Cool Maps.
The other day when we were in the hot tub, I rudely interrupted The Mrs.
John Wilder: âThatâs enough of what you want to talk about. I have something to discuss.â
The Mrs.:Â âWell that was rude!â
John Wilder:Â âAnd thatâs exactly how Iâll describe it in my post.â
And yes, Internet, this was pretty close to the real conversation, but The Mrs. is used to it after being married to me for what she calls âan eternity.â I guess time flies when youâre having fun, right? Wait a minute . . . that eternity comment might not be a complement?
Anyway, as we luxuriated in the warm swirling waters of the tub, I threw out my discussion topic.
John Wilder: âAs we look at parallels from todayâs developments to the last Civil War, I know that events, places and people wonât be exact matches, but they seem to rhyme. If you look at the contentiousness of, say, the presidential elections, thatâs a pretty big parallel. Lincoln got only 40% of the popular vote, and that was against the first female candidate for president, John C. Breckenridge.â
I think this map was influenced by the Russians since they wanted to sell us Alaska and knew only Lincoln was stupid enough to buy it. Thankfully the Russians seem to want it back.
âIf you look back in the past, Abraham Lincoln was elected president by a party that was only six years old after an election that was so divided that one side actually refused to acknowledge the results. If thatâs not a hallmark of a society unravelling, Iâm not sure what is.â
âBut,â I continued, âthe people didnât just drop everything one morning and yell at their neighbor and say âTHATâS IT!â  There were a series of escalations that society went through that made it seem like it would be a good idea to blow up Virginia. And one of those events was Bleeding Kansas.â
Bleeding Kansas was that period when violent groups (on both sides) ended up fighting each other over whether Kansas would enter the Union as a free state where slavery would be illegal or not. Things got heated. On the floor of the United States Senate:
âSumner ridiculed the honor of elderly South Carolina Senator Andrew Butler, portraying Butler’s pro-slavery agenda towards Kansas with the raping of a virgin and characterizing his affection for it in sexual and revolting terms.â (Wikipedia)
The next day, Butlerâs cousin (A congressman named Preston Brooks) showed up and nearly killed Sumner by beating him with a cane.
So, if youâve never been âbeating a guy nearly to death with a cane mad,â maybe Congress wasnât the place for you in the 1850âs.
This was originally published by CNN â the Cane News Network â all canes, all the time.
Eventually Bleeding Kansas ended up as a big mess, with multiple battles (death toll total of 56, per Wikipedia), with there being multiple elections, crazy vote manipulation, and at least four territorial constitutions sent to the United States Senate for approval. And it gave us the album cover for the debut album of the prog-rock band Kansas®, which might make up for the death toll?
Tragic Prelude, by John Stewart Curry – John Brown is the crazy looking dude with the ZZ Top beard and Eraserhead hair in the middle. True fact: John Brown was really 12 feet tall, and the reason that basketball was invented in Kansas was so he could have a sport to play.
So, back to the hot tub.
John Wilder: âIâm thinking that Ferguson® and Black Lives Matter⢠is the Bleeding Kansas of today?â
The Mrs.:Â âI donât know.â
John Wilder: âMaybe Antifa©?
The Mrs.: âYes. Antifa©. The level of violence that they initiate is amazing, and they think that their violence is justified. Their violence isnât real violence because they think they have a good reason to be violent. Just as Antifaâs® racism isnât real racism because they have a good reason to be racist.â
I nodded.
The Mrs. continued, âBut I wonder if a civil war is possible at all. There isnât the same geographic concentration that there was during the 1850âs. You donât have a group of industrialists in the north competing against the agricultural south.â
John Wilder: âBut you do have the rural-urban divide. Heck, our county here went 80% for Trump.â
The Mrs.:Â âAnd our county has all of the guns.â
John Wilder: âWe do now. But groups like Anitfa⢠have shown that theyâre not afraid to use violence. In our county we donât even lock our doors because either weâre too nice to steal much or the thieves know that behind every door is a 12 gauge shotgun or an AR-15.â
The Mrs.:Â âTrue.â
John Wilder: âGuns arenât that hard to get, or hard to learn how to use. Oh, sure, you have to really work at being able to do a 500 yard shot with a 20 mph crosswind (15 kilometers with a 20 liter crosswind for the metric-impaired) but half of Africa was conquered by revolutionaries who couldnât even read with AK-47s that were built in factories in Bulgaria whose idea of a precision tool was a sledgehammer.â
The Mrs.: âI can see that. But weâre not as concentrated as we were back then.â
John Wilder: âHave you seen this map? We are divided geographically â and one side lives in a really small area, while the other side lives in the country. Coincidentally, thatâs where all the soldiers come from â rural places like where we live. And we make all of the food and most of the energy.â
The Mrs.: âYeah. Non-Trump counties make television shows and Teslas®. Oh, and they lead the country in corruption, poverty, and crime. So I guess it could happen, but it would be a lot more chaotic than the first Civil War.â
John Wilder: âSure, I think the chaos is pretty much a given. No way to predict where will be safe. So, whatâs our Uncle Tomâs Cabin?â
Uncle Tomâs Cabin, a book that was instrumental in setting the stage for the Civil War was the most popular book in the United States (besides the Bible) in the 1800âs. However, not long after it was published, it was strictly censored across the many Southern states. One man was sentenced to 10 years in prison for owning a copy of the book, and that was before the Civil War started. The book would be wholly censored across the Confederate States during the Civil War.
John Wilder:Â âIs it Alex Jones?â
The Mrs.:Â âYes, that feels right.â
Alex Jones is a radio talk show host that specializes in fringe news stories â news stories the regular media doesnât cover, and news stories that are at times thinly checked (at best) and at times far in advance of âmainstreamâ news. And Jones has been an equal opportunity political poo-flinger. Heâs gone after Clinton, Bush, and Obama. Republican or Democrat? He doesnât seem to care. To be fair, Jones has been a fairly consistent proponent of Trump.
Free speech is important, itâs written in Silicon Valleyâs DNA, right? No. On a single day, Jones was banned or punished in some fashion from Facebook®, YouTube©, Spotify®, Amazonâ¢, and Pinterest©. Soon enough LinkedInâ¢, YouPorn® (huh?) and MailChimp® (whatever that is) followed.
No one in the hot tub felt that Alex Jones represented the gold standard for journalism, but his silence was a sign that ideas outside of those of the gatekeepers could simply not be tolerated. I spent some time looking for examples of âhate speechâ that was supposedly the cause of his being banned. I found nothing worse than the usual hyperbole of the left, and certainly nothing as personally threatening as many things celebrities and journalists said in the heat of the moment following Trumpâs victory in November of 2016.
The concept that he was censored amazed me. Bombastic? Yes. Over the top? Sure. The WWE⢠of news? Absolutely.
Something to be suppressed and censored? Wow. Speech an entire party (nearly) agrees should be banned? Double wow. But free speech seems to have few fans on the left now.
Now I know where my wallet went . . . George Soros has it!
But back to the hot tub. By this time, The Boy had joined us. I think Pugsley was inside napping, or maybe working on connecting his brain directly to the Internet through a device he was making based on a YouTube video. Pugsley had been looking for a drill, some hydrogen peroxide, and an N-size battery, so he might by a cyborg by now.
John Wilder: âWhat other events were there on the way to the Civil War?â Since The Boy had taken US history most recently, perhaps some things were fresher in his mind, and since we were in the hot tub, it was easier to ask him than to Google® it.
The Boy: âWhat about the Dredd Scott decision? That was a biggy.â
John Wilder: âYes, even the courts were involved in the unravelling before the Civil War. But with the people divided as they were â Dredd Scott could have been decided either way and would have inflamed one side or the other. In this case, it drove the North nuts. If they had decided the other way? It would have driven the South nuts. A no-win situation. The sides werenât even talking the same language at that point.â
The Boy:Â âWell, I guess that leaves Fort Sumter.â
John Wilder: âSo what does our Fort Sumter take place? Or has it already?â
Fort Sumter was the spot, on April 12, 1861, at 4:30AM, Confederate soldiers fired on the Union Fort. (Spoiler, they won.) Fort Sumter is notable because even after Southern secession, several months passed before the first shots were fired there. It was as if there was a hope that things could be brought back together, that there was some alternative to war.
John Wilder: âSo what is it, what does it look like? Does it occur after a Trump 2020 victory?â
The Mrs.: âWell maybe sooner. If the Republicans continue to hold the House after the 2018 election, I think that might make California secede. From what I seen on Facebook®, theyâre in a frenzy already. They canât even stand the idea of Trump finishing a single term.â
John Wilder: âWhat if . . . what if Fort Sumter is going on right now? Letâs look at it: there was a part of the government, in that case the states, which denied the legitimacy of the sitting president. Okay, they might have thought him legitimate but they decided that they didnât want be a part of it. Isnât thatâs whatâs going on right now with the Deep State? Insurance policies? Investigations into people not because of a crime, but investigations of people to find a crime to prosecute them for because they donât have the right political belief, that theyâre not part of the right club that gets bacon-wrapped shrimp at the Friday get-togethers?â
The Boy: âNot sure if that fits. Maybe. Maybe.â
John Wilder: âAn attack doesnât require that the militia brings out cannons and shells Dallas. No, if you look at that, plus the sanctuary cities, plus the judiciary routinely ruling against Trump on things that they would have rubber-stamped for Obama? Is this open insurrection right now, just not with cannon?â
The Boy: âIâm not sure. But I do think I know the end point of all of this. Iâve been thinking . . .â
And he had a pretty insightful observation. More on that next Monday, I think.
Civil War has begun . Right vs left, squirmishes, Antifa against pro-Trump. Media is propaganda ministry, families don’t agree anymore and have stop talking. Wider violent war dead ahead! (who benefits?) ALL WARS ARE BANKERS’ WARS. Dollar collapse. Outcome?… NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT! So fight to your hearts’ content, damned fools!
If there is a civil war that goes hot, and the communists and marxists and their supporters get defeated, I hope that it doesn’t end there. They should all be rounded up and eradicated, as well as any of their supporters in the press, Silicon Valley and the education (indoctrination) system. They should be erased from history, no matter how many need to be executed, 10 million, 20 million, 80 million, whatever. Time to take out the trash.
CA won’t secede. Their politicians are whack but the state(in area), like the rest of the country, is mostly conservative with the majority REgressives crammed into the urban nightmares along the coast.
If Civil War 2.0 ever did crank up, it’d be over in a flash when their power was cut and food deliveries stopped. The problem from that arises when they’re not overwhelmingly killed off because unless there’s virtually no more of them or no more of us, there’s gonna be ongoing strife.
I think you have it right, 100%, but only if it happened today. Sure, my family and yours are prepared for 30 or 60 days today, but eventually the left will begin preparing as well . . . and they might begin preparing after the crisis strikes. Won’t be pretty.
I’m not sure about formal secession, but there is the possibility of open rebellion – oh, wait, that already started?