“When I turned 14, I took fiduciary responsibility for my mother’s 401K. We discussed it over Italian food. I had my first espresso, it kept me up all night. I fell asleep at dawn for five minutes and had a stress dream about the house burning down. Pretty good birthday.” – American Dad
The ear bud is playing a tape that says – in/out, in/out, so she doesn’t forget to breathe.
I was driving with The Boy back to Stately Wilder Manor on the way back from a fast food restaurant where he had consumed 3,000 calories out of his 10,000 daily calorie requirement. That’s one thing I miss – I was the same when I was his age, but now if I look sideways at a bag of Ruffles® the button on my jeans has a high chance of becoming a weapon outlawed in California due to velocity alone. Soon enough there’ll be a waiting period for Chips Ahoy™.
Out of nowhere, The Boy asked, “Why on Earth would anyone have a 401K?”
I’m used to random questions by The Boy at any point in any conversation. In the middle of discussing the economics of a thorium-based fusion reactor, he’ll pipe up and ask, “Do you think fish ever get tired of eating seafood? Oh, and what if we fed tuna mayonnaise, would that skip a step?” Bonus points if you can identify the two movies those questions came from without using the Internet. As The Boy is getting ready to go off to college, I suppose it makes sense.
First you get the khakis, then you get the job, then you get the girl, then the mortgage, then the divorce because your wife doesn’t agree that PCs are better than Apple© products and then you retire bitter and alone. So you might need a 401k.
See, The Boy gets the “thinking too far ahead” thing from me.
Admit it – this wasn’t just me.
I realized that it would be a fair topic for a Wednesday post, and probably a moderately fun one, too. If you have a 401k, or are retired, I know that you’re thinking, “Why would I want to read about a 401k, anyway?” Because it will be funny. I promise – I’m a trained Professional Humorist and Certified Duck Yodeler. You’re professional when people pay you to stop doing something, right?
401k’s aren’t taught in school, probably because no one would be listening, which still doesn’t explain why they have Band. The advantage of being 16 is that you are immortal, and your entire lifetime is spread out before you. A 401k? Might as well spend time teaching about the best types of denture adhesive or why candy bars don’t cost a dime anymore.
But you’re not 16 anymore, at least not according to your FBI profile, so I can keep discussing 401ks without your mind wandering. At least too much.
There are basically three types of retirement plans:
- Have Very Wealthy Parents
- Be a Part of a Defined Benefit Plan
- Contribute to a Defined Contribution Plan
I prefer the first option, as should you. Sadly, my parents were only of the “comfortably well off” sort rather than “mind numbingly” wealthy. They selfishly managed to spend all of their money on themselves doing things that they liked. All they left me with was years of love, encouragement, good advice, help with a college education, wonderful memories, and times just tough enough to build the character I needed. They were awful.
Okay if your parents were losers like mine, you have to pay attention to the other options:
A Defined Benefit plan is something that, if you’re working in the United States, you’re already in. Social Security is such a plan. You contribute 7.5% of your income, which is matched with another 7.5% by your employer. Then, Congress spends it on worthless programs meant only to enrich the people that vote for them and on bacon-wrapped shrimp. Because who doesn’t like bacon-wrapped shrimp?
Thankfully, eventually if you live to age 107, you’ll receive enough money back from Social Security to subsist entirely on a diet of dog food and sawdust you gather from nearby construction sites. And the dry dog food, not the wet – what do you think we are, the Bill Gates’ family?
Other examples of Defined Benefit plans are pensions and stealing office supplies from your employer. I would discuss pensions, but unless you work for the government, pensions are as relevant as discussing attacks by a roving band of tyrannosaurus rex – it’s not going to happen in your lifetime. If you work for the government, pensions are a never ending fountain of chocolate-covered strawberries that I also get to pay for.
The reason pensions became as rare as decent Stephen King novels after he quit cocaine and were phased out by most businesses is that the 401k, a Defined Contribution plan, appeared in the 1980’s. With a 401k, a business can safely contribute just once to the employee, and then forget about them forever, making them even more disposable. Eventually they’ll figure out how to make employees “single use” like a Keurig® coffee brewer but they’ll have to worry about the hole they’ll need to pop into your head – oh, wait, that’s Facebook®. The biggest advantage for a business is if the employee decides to invest all of their 401k money in pantyhose and elephant rides it doesn’t matter to the business. Once they match your contribution, they’re done.
But having a 401k is a choice, and I have one. Why?
First and foremost, my employer matches my contributions. I contribute 6% of my pay, and my employer contributes 3% on top of my current salary. In my case, it’s like a 3% pay raise. And these are pre-tax dollars. Every dollar I put in my 401k lowers the amount of taxes that I have to pay right now, plus I get a free 50% of what I save invested. I like that.
Okay, mine are paid off. I paid them off in 2013 – I paid payments ahead, but I kept a balance until December 2012 was over, just in case the Mayans were right. That’s one way to stick it to the man.
When I invest in the various funds that my employer has to offer, then the amounts in my account grow tax free until I begin to pull money out. At that point, I then have to pay taxes on the money I take out of the account for The Mrs. so she can selfishly spend it on insulin.
But there are downsides or risks to having a 401k as well.
- There are a limited number of plans. What if I really want to invest in dirigible manufacturers instead of Apple®? I’m sure dirigibles are coming back this year – rumor has it they’re going up.
- A 401k is another way for Wall Street to monetize your life, which will probably be the focus of next Wednesday’s post. And we know Wall Street has your best interests at heart, right?
- What will future tax rates be? When I begin to take money I believe that I won’t be paying as high a tax rate as today. But I could be wrong. I’ve just been itching to pay for health care for illegal aliens, so, there’s no telling.
- A 401k is easy for government to confiscate: it would take exactly one law and some politicians have even discussed the idea. Why should those that save their money be entitled to any of it? Selfish, like my parents.
- What will the market performance be? For my lifetime, the market has gone up and down, like Oprah©’s weight. But it’s mainly stayed up. Also like Oprah®’s weight. Or dirigibles, which are kind of Oprah™ shaped.
- What will inflation be? Will we become Zimbabwe with a nuclear arsenal and a better navy?
- Perhaps one of the scariest comments I’ve seen with respect from this came from Arthur Sido (LINK) (I’m paraphrasing): “Your money will become worthless while benefits to those on welfare will increase.” Well, I guess that’s one good way to achieve the goals of communism!
I love it when Communists prove that it works this time.
But when I look at all of the risks above, I realize that I’m exposed to them already unless I completely invest in the three precious metals – gold, silver, and lead.
My 401k doesn’t seem to accept .223 or 7.62 as a valid investment.
One other advantage of the 401k is that it adds a significant amount of financial stability. Most 401k plans allow you to borrow against them. Financial advisors don’t like this, because they’d much rather you pay interest to a bank with headquarters in New York rather than yourself. Also, sometimes you can’t add more money to a 401k after you’ve borrowed money against it.
A loan against my 401k has been useful to me on one particular occasion. After my first wife She Who Will Not Be Named moved out she handed me a grocery sack filled with bills. She then handed me a checkbook. “I have no idea how much money is in the account.” And then she walked out.
My loan from my 401k paid for the late payments. Barely. That experience allowed me to be able to answer this important question:
Why are divorces expensive? They’re worth it.
I shouldn’t complain, my divorce was better than most. I just wish she hadn’t gotten my hair in the settlement.
The downside of a 401k loan is that you have to pay it back immediately if you leave that job. If not? The money becomes taxable that year – plus a 10% penalty tax is added on.
Now The Boy wonders if he can feed the 10% penalty to fish. Go figure.
I am not a financial advisor. I am a silly blogger that writes on the Internet. If you use my advice, you certainly get what’s coming to you, which may include being impacted by an asteroid, eaten by a sasquatch, or financial ruin. So there.
Great topic. So many of us put our retirement thoughts on hold way too long. I was never brought up in wealth and my retirement will stay the same – KEEPING IT REAL. I’m okay with that, both of us are.
Uncle and Aunt did a wise choice with their kids. They told them when they graduated high school that they (the parents) would pay for their college education, but there it stopped. No more money from Mom and Dad – they had given them the tools to take care of THEIR own lives and money needs. So don’t expect any money from them when the parents died – that was for their needs..
Both girls did well. The older graduated from M.I.T. and Stanford and is very comfortable indeed. The younger daughter is also doing well in Houston. No dependency on any money from any one.
And that’s a great outcome – the real goal should be independence.
A 401K is an investment plan where you can’t touch the money until you’re 60 without paying a 10% penalty, and it gets taxed as income instead of the lower capital gains rate.
Actually 59 and a half is the cut-off for the 10% penalty, just to be precise.
Yup. It reduces options – that’s one of the downsides – and they can change the rules at any time. I don’t think AOC would be changing them in my favor.
There are a lot of people on those government pensions. I had an interesting (and mildly irritating) conversation about that with some close friends who work for the government. The government shut down hit them a lot harder than I would have expected. (I don’t think I was as sympathetic as they expected, especially when they explained that they did get all of their money, after a relatively short delay. They initially stated that they were “forced to work for free.”) It appears that they have a relatively low net worth and not much savings, but can still have a comfortable retirement due to the pensions. I explained to them that I basically have to build my own pension using my 401(k) and other savings. It made me realize how vulnerable my savings and investments are to changes in tax laws, especially a wealth tax. If you are on a government pension, you would probably not care about a wealth tax, because it would not effect you much.
Government pensions are dangerously underfunded, as are most collectively bargained private plans (unions). The only way to deal with it will be to slash benefits, which isn’t going to happen, sock it to the current employees, also not going to happen, or inflate the currency which screws all of us. Kind of a microcosm of Social Security.
Well, at the state level a federal judge will just rule that they have to raise taxes. Problem solved, right?
When I graduated college, government jobs were paid at much lower rates than civilian. Upsides were the pensions and the job security – no chance of being fired.
Now, pay rates are very high, security is high, and benefits are high.
Hmmmm.
Funnier than normal. The Mayan gag had me LOL. All digital wealth is going to zero. Roll your dice on the timing.
Thank you! Sad truth: I really did do that Mayan thing. For exactly the reason as noted. Yeah, in real life I’ll still go a LONG way for a joke.
A lot of things we don’t expect to go to zero are going to go to zero. As long as I still have Ruffles and air conditioning, I’m sure it will be fine.
And Pez. Don’t forget the Pez.
Well, certainly. A life without PEZ is like a life without having my manservant, Cato, to assist me.
Here’s the LEAST funny posts you’ll ever read on this topic – and you should read them anyway….
https://realinvestmentadvice.com/everything-you-are-being-told-about-saving-investing-is-wrong-part-i/
https://realinvestmentadvice.com/everything-you-are-being-told-about-saving-investing-is-wrong-part-2/
https://realinvestmentadvice.com/everything-you-are-being-told-about-saving-investing-is-wrong-part-3/
As usual – great links, Ricky.
A topic near and dear to my heart, having worked in the defined contribution plan business for more years than I care to recall, including several stints at the biggest player in the 401k game. I used to have a couple of corporate “plan sponsor” clients with over a billion dollars in their 401k plans but the guys on the other side of the cubicle from me ran the plans for General Motors and they had tens of billions of dollars to deal with, which they did except when they were day-trading penny stocks. Not kidding.
Most people don’t understand how much money flows into the stock market every week from 401k plans alone. It is a firehose of money and the constant stream of new money that has to be invested in something is propping up the stock market. If you are invested in the Vanguard 500 index in your 401k, along with millions of other people, a portion of your pay every week goes into that fund and buys those stocks so there is constant buying pressure on stocks, especially large capitalization stocks.
In a rational world the 401k plan is great, especially the Roth feature which I always used, eschewing the pre-tax benefits in the current year in return for tax free investment growth that you never pay taxes on. Some 401ks are ridiculously generous, for example when I worked for the big player in the business, we got 15% of our salary invested into our plan as long as we contributed 10% on our own for a total of 25% of your salary, so day one your contribution got a 150% return. Plus we had a defined benefit plan (and I stayed in the Ritz Carlton when I traveled. Good times.). But we don’t live in a rational world and all that “money” you see on your statement is just make-believe. What is even scarier is that the government has been eyeing the money in 401ks and IRAs for a long time, there is just too much “wealth” tied up that they can’t get their hands on and white people own the lion’s share of retirement assets so you can be sure that when Ilhan Omar is President, they are going to go after your retirement account.
Having spent many years managing defined contribution plans and doing employee seminars telling people why they should invest in their 401k, I am a big proponent now of investing in real property. Pay off your mortgage and own property, real estate or something tangible (that you can hide if needed), especially the sort of real property than can be used to protect your other real property. AR-15>401(k).
(Disclaimer, I am not currently a licensed financial professional and I am not employed by a broker-dealer. Nothing written above constitutes investment advice)
401k investing provides a constant upward pressure on the market – the next recession will be . . . interesting.
Gold is the wealth of kings, because they have the army needed to protect it.
Silver is the wealth of bankers, because they have a vault to protect it.
Copper is the wealth of tradesmen, because they can make something useful out of it.
Land is the wealth of farmers, because it produces.
Debt (credit) is the wealth of slaves.
I haven’t figured out any way to hold a financially-significant amount of gold that wouldn’t result in a home invasion about 12 hours after I try to liquidate the first ounce in a financial emergency. You might reply that “that’s what the lead is for”, but when they grab The Mrs. from the farmer’s market and are holding her in the back seat, … nobody shoots straight enough to resolve that situation to their advantage.
As for federal pensions, FDR cut them 50% during the Great Depression, when he also cut federal wages 50%. That didn’t make the Supreme Court judges happy at all. (He had the government buy up all of the non-jewelry gold, too, by the way, and everyone needed a police escort to access their bank safe-deposit boxes, just in case they forgot to sell some of that they had in the banker’s vault.)
I love that quote. One of the happiest days of my life was when I got out of debt.
FDR – don’t get me started. I think most of his policies prolonged the Depression, rather than making it better.
Buy lead? No way, comrade! Soviet steel core surplus in 7.62x54r. Kill pesky engine blocks at 100 yards. Mosin Nagant has no real safety, better to kill enemies and stray livestock.
I’m a 7.62×39 steel core, and I have a lot of .223 steel core as well. Love shooting it.