“If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?” – No Country for Old Men

But, hey, they all have the same tote bag. (all memes as-found)
There is a YouTube® creator named hoe_math that I watch regularly. I’d guess that he and I have fairly similar worldviews in many cases, and I recommend his channel (LINK). One of the trademark issues Mr. _math has discussed is the breakdown between men and women in our modern, technological age and how government has made it worse.
One thing he’s brought up several times in his videos is the concept of “levels of thinking” which I’ll just call “Levels” from here on out. It’s a variation of Maslow’s Hierarchy, but it’s been refined by Ken Wilber, to walk back the sources. But let’s stick to hoe_math.
hoe_math’s main success has been as a guy who draws stick figures with colored pencils to explain why your relationships suck and society is unraveling. Rather than Levels being a new age mystical tool, Mr. _math uses Levels as a tool, and as a powerful one. Keep in mind, it’s not reality, it’s just another way to model it. In this case, however, it explains a lot of what would otherwise be mystical behavior and magical thinking of people who really should know better.
The version of Levels that hoe_math has been distilled down to nine stages of thinking, each building on the last like a Jenga™ tower of the soul. Today, though, I want to stick to the first seven levels. Why? Because Level 6 is the root of so much GloboLeft® insanity, and Level 7 shows, maybe, a way out.
Let’s climb the Levels ladder, one sticky rung at a time.
Level 1: Survival And Desire

Picture this: a toddler covered in spaghetti sauce. Life isn’t about stocks or status. It’s a confusing set of seemingly unrelated events. Life is about not dying and emotional control doesn’t yet exist..
Hunger gnaws, cold bites, and that pain from having fingernails cut? That’s the worst pain the baby has ever felt. Thinking at Level 1 is pure reflex: see food, eat. See threat, run or smash. No plans, just sensory overload driving you to grab what feels good and dodge what hurts.
Every human starts at this level, but most outgrow it. Except in pathology: think severe autism or that guy at the grocery store yelling about expired coupons.
And toxic masculinity? Level 1 is the primal protector that men become when times become grim: the father who stays up all night by the fire with a shotgun when the wolves are howling outside. It’s raw, unapologetic drive when there’s a positive motivation.
In the negative, it’s the low-I.Q. murderer who kills someone for $5. These people stuck at this level cannot survive by themselves.
Level 2: Connect
Now the world gets a little less lonely. I’ve got senses, sure, but suddenly, so does everyone else. Thinking now shifts: life is bonding and not being alone. Emotions now project outward because at this level, people now understand that others have needs, too. And, when others are happy, I get what I want. I clean my room, I get cookies.
hoe_math notes that this is where tribes form – but for people stuck at this level, there is nearly zero trust for outsiders. Probably the largest useful structure that this level produces is the family.
Level 3: Control

If the first level had no bonds, the second level had bonds between one person and another, this level is third person: the realization that other people have connections to each other. And that’s a great tool to use to get control of them.
If Level 3 was a decade, it would be The Me Decade, the 1970s. Since all of humanity can live at Level 1 or Level 2, fully 92% of humanity can make it to Level 3 every day, according to hoe_math, who you should trust because “math” is in his name.
At this stage, the strong exploit the week, and morality is an afterthought. If India was a level, it would be Level 3. It’s a war of all against all with a billion caste systems.
Level 4: Conform

This is all about the rules. Only 40% of humanity gets here every day. That should scare you.
Yeouch! That tells you that my India comment on Level 3 is probably spot on. This is the level that gives us useful structures like functional civilizations and businesses and religion. It is here that ethics and the study of rules start. This is where morality takes over in judgements.
People compete for power here, yet compete using rules that are agreed on. Chaos unchecked? No thanks. Now the flip side of the lower levels becomes apparent: selfishness breeds anarchy, so rules it is. It’s Good vs. Evil, us vs. them. Life demands order.
Level 4 birthed all higher-level civilizations.
Level 5: Achieve
Now we’re into the land of libertarians, big L and little l versions. About 28% of people reach this level on a daily basis.
Rules are for rubes. Freedom über alles. Good and bad? That’s subjective. Life is about results. Set goals, crunch the numbers, win big, add sawdust to the raisin bran if nobody notices.
Why bow to a boss or a Bible?
The Level 5 achiever is the builder, the provider, the man who turns dirt into dynasties. It’s the dad working doubles so the kids eat steak, not ramen. I think the majority of the success of the United States has been entirely due to Level 5 behavior, so therefore it is called toxic masculinity.
Level 6: Understand

Here’s where the wheels start wobbling off the cart, and also where higher-level thinking is observably worse than lower-level thinking.
In Level 6, uniqueness reigns; old rules are chains. Life celebrates diversity! Every truth is a perspective, every culture is valid, except (in the Western version) that mean old Christian patriarchy. Reject hierarchies, listen to the oppressed, seek consensus, live, laugh, love. Subjectivity rules; impose nothing.
Sounds noble, right? Until you try validating all cultures and beliefs and fetishes.

That’s the rot. I mean, it’s well-meaning, but it rests upon a fundamental denial of reality.
Seek “understanding” without boundaries, and boom: moslims torch the gay bar that the Level 6 people thought would be just fine right next to the mosque as hoe_math described it.
Because why?
Because no matter how much Level 6 thinkers want 82 I.Q. people from Somalia to be accepting, tolerant, and embrace the gay lifestyle, they are Level 3 thinkers that want to chuck the gays off cliffs just to see what sound the make when they hit bottom.

This leads to the GloboLeftElite® importing clash after clash into the nation, then cries “tolerance!” while cities burn.
Truth dies on the altar of feelings.
Pathologies? Narcissistic echo chambers and spineless relativism. It’s why campuses are safe spaces for screams of GloboLeftist rage but not debate and England will tolerate rape and murder as a moslem/hindu team sport but not tolerate people noticing it.
Level 7: Harmonize

Finally, wisdom dawns.
Despite being only 5% of the population, I would bet that most of my regular readers get here or hang out at Level 5. On either side of this, we’ve seen the mess that Level 6 is. The problem with Level 6 is that it’s based on lies. Pretty lies, but lies nonetheless.
The rules we made up at Level 4?
Some of them make fundamental sense in a way that, if you ignore them, birthrates of smart people plummet and the birth of idiots is reinforced. Or crime rate increases. Or we decide that creating fiat currencies is a good thing, just like they did in Weimar Germany.

But reality exists. Those Level 4 rules aren’t random! It is folly of the highest order to ignore them. Complex systems demand rules and judgement in order to work, and mixing cultures sometimes ends up with the result that border walls are way better than immigration.
This is toxic masculinity, yet again: the harmonizer is the statesman, the elder who balances freedom with fences, innovation with inheritance. It’s the patriarch reading the room—protecting the tribe by pruning threats, not hugging them.
The dangers here are existential drift that leads to nihilism or half-baked gurus with books to sell.
As I said, only 5% get here regularly.
Why?
It takes I.Q. to juggle viewpoints, model systems empirically, and see patterns in the interactions. Low I.Q. folks stall at Level 4 conformity and Level 6 is a trap for people who want to see a beautiful world that could never exist.

So, why fixate on these? Because Level 6 thinking led, at least partially, to the trouble we’re in now. Endless “understanding” ignores that not all cultures play nice and that our people need jobs, too. Validate it all, and you get Paris no-go zones or Rotherham horrors. Level 6 whispers “coexist,” but Level 7 shouts “think about this.”
The same level of thinking that got us into this mess isn’t going to get us out of it, and, sadly we’re going to have to continue to go after and eliminate Level 6 thinking where we see it.
And we will, because the result of losing?
It’s Level 3. And the world already has way too much India.

Much truth in hoe_math’s model. Tim Urban over on Wait But Why published a similar societal analysis called What’s Our Problem. Recommended, as is a skim of his various WBW posts.
https://waitbutwhy.com/whatsourproblem
I like Tim, but he seems to have gone quiet. I seem to recall him saying something really stupid a while back?
I never thought of myself as a level 7, but a few months ago, I did go and look up Hindi curse words so I could better annoy the spam callers. If I’m going to insult them, I at least want to be respectful of their culture.
Mader chod is “mother f__ker” by the way….
Hahahaha! I learned that one last week!
This is in the Bible. and the only real question is what happens next and where. Deception is the first warning sign.
It is.
The accompanying photo explains GB’s IQ drop, as something’s missing…
Yes, British people.
And “shrubbery” The Knights Of Nee demand it. Landscaped, of course.
Not sure I agree that Level 6 is a valid category of intellectual growth or hierarchy. I.e., I don’t think it denotes a level of “progress” from 1-7. I guess I don’t see empathy or “understanding” as an higher level intellectual tool, even a primitive one. It appears more like a malfunction or misuse of the skill sets acquired in 2-5 to revert to 1. I think many factors contribute to people near the top of level 5 (generational wealth, comfort, false security, etc.) thinking that it is OK to indulge infantile feelings and the immediate gratifications experienced at level 1 — only they want to force other people to provide that gratification by using the tools developed at levels 4 and 5 (governments, armies, weapons, tax codes). The people at levels 7 are the ones who know there are no short-cuts to maintaining civilization, no “feel-good” solutions to human suffering except the harsh contest of intellect, risk, productive effort. And that — what looks like cruelty (lack of empathy) is actual wisdom.
It’s a trap – it requires more understanding of the feelings of others, yet requires an ignoring of reality. I think 1, 3, 5, and 7 are more masculine levels, and the even-numbers are more feminine.
Very good, thank you!
Tree Mike
My pleasure!
P-Tar here, hope all is well in Modern Mayberry, John! Currently dealing with a case of shoulder kitten, but while it’s currently distracted with zoomies and not sitting on my keyboard…
Spiral Dynamics, Beck and Cowan, fuck yes! Ken Wilbur popularized it a good bit but it’s been around a long time. Level 7 is about flex and flow, it’s an individual viewpoint that sits above the other six and views them as tool sets, not straitjackets. “When in Rome… (be better armed than the Romans!)”
You’re right about most low-IQ people getting stuck at 3-4… Thing is, most Leftoid wind-up toys out there are absolutely 3-4’s… They’re just running scripts programmed by 6’s. Just because they went to college doesn’t mean their IQ’s and critical thinking skills went up (the opposite, actually). They’re religious zealots, just without a God (except themselves, in their role as righteous saviors of the world and its poor little people).
Everybody who is at one level or another had at least a brief spell experiencing the tiers below it. So every 6 was a 5 at one point… The ones stuck at 6 are the ones who felt guilty about being a 5 and are trying to absolve themselves. 5’s have to internalize order from 4 first: know the system before you can exploit it ruthlessly…
In my experience, 7’s tend to be those who hung out in a 5-6 crowd, tasted 6, ‘ate its vegetables’ and rejected (or vomited back up) the woo. 7’s usually make the leap to 7 during the disorientation of the hangover or ‘contact high’, trying to reconcile 6’s bullshit with everyone else and reality. Tier leap happens when you realize that all of these perspectives have their time and place, and the key things are context and moderation, adapting to situations as they arise, not being tied down to any one of the six lower tiers.
1? When I’m up shit’s creek without a paddle, damn right I’m at 1, and focused entirely on survival with all my faculties. Death is a failure state, and a permanent one.
2? Ask yourself how many people in 5 and 6 that went off to conquer or save the world, only to realize too late that family is fundamental?
3? When push comes to shove, I can play those games too, just with a deeper understanding to craft my strategy.
4? Damn right, honor your traditions, your ancestors, your people, your morals, and your dead.
5? Yup: chase that dream, make that paper, build that empire, watch it crash, learn something, do it again.
6? *sigh* Yes, ‘Connection’, BUT properly used with the inverse square rule, like with radio and sound waves, to determine how much you connect: more for those closest, very little for those furthest away.
At least, that’s how I grok it, John. The reason why average Leftoids create level 3 worlds is because they mostly are 3’s. The 6’s running them look at them as cannon fodder. The reason why they’re encouraging their 3’s with LGBTBS and making them un-fuckable is they want nothing-to-lose fanatics who they don’t have to worry about spawning future generations after they’ve been used up. That’s part of how you know this is all or nothing time.
I think there’s a resonance – the 6s manipulate the 4s. The 7s get along with the 5s because they know the 5s are the spark plugs.
Within the last hour, I was talking with my Diminutive but Deadly wife about how often I run into the “same planet, different world” experience and then really didn’t know how to understand hoe_math when I first went to the YouTube channel. While I think your explanations have cleared that up, I’d still appreciate “watch this video first” recommendations. He and I are definitely in different worlds.
Much of the interpersonal stuff he talks about is stuff I haven’t thought of in years, if not decades. I’m 71 and closing in on my 10th anniversary of being retired. I looked at a few of his short videos and they seem to not at all be the big picture you’re focusing on, but the “establishing a potential mate/life partner” that hasn’t been a thought in over 40 years.
Apologies! Anything of his with “Levels” is about this, but I think this one is the best: https://youtu.be/YpoOf6uak-A?si=YbCOxsadRvFeYSoa
https://youtu.be/ithQnu0AwnY?si=5Te3jOr7xDeZFt2M
Level 7 – Realizing that Kipling’s bit about the Gods of the Copybook Headings is about as based as one can get. The higher levels are useful from a thinking about thinking about thinking recursive sense, but Level 7 is the ‘Society doesn’t work unless some folks live here’ baseline. Tribes getting along and not all killing each other off is achievable at lower levels, but actual society takes people who understand that rules need rules.
Exactly! Perfect analogy! When you fully internalize that poem, you’ve locked into 7.