“Your honor, Your Honor.” – Caddyshack
Indian roads have so many potholes you should request a trip advisor. (all memes except for the one directly above are as-found)
I hadn’t planned on doing more than one India post, but, with more and more information about the H-1B program coming out, I did a second one. I didn’t plan on doing a third post.
But yet, here we are.
The latest skirmishes on the “India versus the world” front have been illuminating. One of my biggest surprises was how Dinesh D’Souza had a meltdown on X®. It’s odd that a man who wrote a book called The End of Racism would start calling anyone who disagreed with him “whitey”.
To be clear, it’s not something that bothers me personally, since I wake up every morning, look at my hands, and realize I’m not Indian.
Whew! Damn, it feels great to be white!
But, after watching the reputation of my nation, one that white people created, being dragged through the mud, watching whites be discriminated against, and watching a never-ending toll of one-sided violence in the United States against white people, well, I’m done with political correctness.
But it doesn’t explain Dinesh. I’ve always thought of him as a bit of a grifter since the only thing he has ever produced for this world are his opinions and carbon dioxide to feed plants. One of the key takeaways I’ve seen from watching grifters is that “the first rule of grifting is that you don’t intentionally piss off the people you’re grifting”.
So, what is it that caused Dinesh to pop and get D’Souza all over the place?
Izzat.
What’s izzat? I know, it sounds like one of my stupid jokes. And when I first read about it, I was looking for a punchline. But, nope, it’s real. I read about it in a screencap from user GluttonousManSlob on kiwifarms®. It was posted on a thread on /pol/, but the file is too large for me to post here, but you can find it on X® because I posted it here (LINK).
There is no direct translation of izzat as far as I know, and I know a lot of words. It’s a weird (to a Westerner) concept of collective and individual honor and status. The reason it is so weird is that it is honor that is completely stripped from the concept of right and wrong. Izzat is all about winning and losing.
Dinesh didn’t want to reply, he had to reply. His izzat was at stake.
As I said, anything is justified to keep izzat, even murder. An example from India: an Indian rickshaw driver saw two other Indians peeing in the street. There was a public toilet right there. The rickshaw driver offered to pay for the toilet for the men.
The men, having lost izzat, came back with a mob and beat the rickshaw driver to death. The urinating Indians thus restored their lost izzat.
Dinesh saw mocking other Indians as something he simply could not put up with, and defended them as izzat demanded. But there’s more to it than that.
The other problem with izzat is that it doesn’t matter who is right or wrong, it’s just about winning, which is why izzat prevents Indians from admitting they were wrong. They will never take responsibility because being wrong entails a huge loss of izzat.
This leads to a complete breakdown in infrastructure. Reporting a pothole is an insult to the Supreme Director of Roadway Quality and Repair for Utter Pradesh and if you reported one, the Supreme Director will want to find a way to punish and humiliate you rather than, you know, fix the pothole. The mission of an organization or company isn’t as important as the izzat of the individuals at the organization.
Oh, and also why bribery is nearly a spectator sport: if you bribe, you can get what you need (win). But to require a bribe, well, that’s a lot of izzat.
Which is why scamming is great for Indians: izzat isn’t about morality, remember, it’s about winning and losing. But, it’s more than that.
The izzat from social status increases is amazing. If an Indian has a job at, say, Microsoft™ and manage to hire another Indian, they owe him. Izzat demands that their loyalty isn’t to Microsoft©, it’s first to that Indian that hired them, and second to all of the other Indians there.
It’s in-group preference on steroids. And it explains why Indians never hire non-Indians unless they have to. They don’t get izzat from Tom Tuttle from Tacoma, but they do get izzat from Kumar Krishnananana from Kashipur.
But if the hire Tom, they get a guy who wants to work for the organization, and get ahead to get raises, et cetera. Typical Western behavior. But if they hire Kumar, they get another person wo will want to increase his izzat by hiring in a bunch of other Indians, and, if possible a bunch of other Indians from his caste.
Best?
A bunch of Indians from his family.
In an Indian-dominated company, it’s no longer about the organization or the mission, or what is right and what is wrong.
It’s about izzat. It’s about winning. Each Indian is at war with every other Indian, yet they must support the other Indians against, well, you. Why do Indians with middle class jobs raid food banks in Canada? Because they can. Because if they do that, they win, and get izzat.
If the guy above is okay with taking food from poor people, stealing Grandma’s life savings is nothing. Probably, he thinks it’s moral.
The error that most people from the West make when dealing with other cultures is to think that other cultures have the same goals as those of the West, goals based on the honor of being a good man, of building for the future for our children, of doing what is right rather than what is easy, even when it means standing up to authority.
Western values, American values are in many ways the direct opposite of everything Indian culture produces.
Izzat, like the Indian Thugee cult is nothing but a destructive influence, one that, if the Indians like, they can keep.
And that’s all I have to say about izzat.
It is endlessly fascinating to me that the people who are the most prickly about their honor and getting respect are universally the people least deserving of honor and respect.
I did a post a while back about the persecution mythology that drives in-group preferences and chauvinism among mormons, jews and the Amish. I might have to update that post to add in jeets.
Mythology hahaha
The arrival of the Mormons in the Midwest was compared unfavorably to a plague of locusts on two legs. You’re darned right our ancestors persecuted them right out of the area.
Yup. Again, it’s entirely externally driven – they have no internal sense of morals or honor. They even pull the racism card on each other!
If the guy above is okay with taking food from poor people, stealing Grandma’s life savings nothing, and probably he thinks it’s moral. Is nothing?
Back to nitpicking.
Fixed. Thank you, Simon, greatly appreciated!
It is what Hinduism teaches, pantheism and moral relativity.
It’s worse, since they worship literal demons.
The situation with Dinesh did not surprise me. I already fell into that trap with a classmate . He got along well with everyone and seemed to defy the traditional Indian stereotypes. Or at least he did until I ran into him around his Indian buddies and I saw that it was all just an act. He just happened to be better at the grift than most.
It’s the same reason I don’t trust Kash. We’re not even a year in and he got caught using govt. plane to fly to his girlfriend’s sporting event.
Yup. Never liked Kash.
So izzat is basically the pajeet version of black street ‘cred’, complete with harsh penalties for dissing. Since blacks, pajeets and mestizos literally loathe one another, I say White folk should step back and adopt a strict policy of “Let’s you an’ him fight”. Let it be known that there are enough gibs for one, and only one, oppressed non-White minority, and the dirtiest fighter takes all.
Blacks are cowards, terrified of physical pain. Exceptionally volatile and violent, but only when in overwhelming numerical superiority. Pajeets are scrawny weaklings with a history of easy subjugation by outsiders and higher castes of their own street-shitting ilk. Their sole strength is overwhelming numbers. Mestizos are cheerful psychopaths who whistle gaily as they slit throats and rape underage girls.
I smell an entertainment bonanza (with a distinct whiff of excrement) should we unleash these competing groups on one another in no holds barred ring matches. Considering the popularity of dogfighting and cockfighting among third world types, I see an opportunity for introducing a new spin on mud wrestling, as black ‘n browns duke it out for coveted freebies.
Got lemons? Make lemonade.
Always been a point of mine that we should the gangsters to shoot better. They kill each other and the ones left standing can be hanged. A win all the way round.
No, it’s worse, it’s an entirely externally driven system with no actual individual pride or honor. In any fight the Indians cower and run away because they have the upper body strength of children, so that won’t work.
Thanks! No wonder their behaviour is so incomprehensible
to us.
They are not like us.
For the love of God, Mr. Trump, NO MORE H1-B Wogs, Prajeets, or whatever you call them. The ones I arrested when I was a Peace Officer in SoCal, reeked of curry so bad I had to drive back to the jail with my unit windows open. The only saving grace is that the majority of these Blackie-Whites live in the tech-saturated Blue Hives. I still believe the only event which will turn things around is a complete economic collapse and reset which will force all of these white-collar parasites to move back to Mumbai. Life is a vale of tears.
Amen.
My older daughter was In a small study group at a boarding school in the mid-1990s. The teacher noted that their test scores were similar but dropped any charges after individual interviews. One of the group was a half-pajeet; she didn’t wait for those to be dropped.
Called her parents, who drove down and removed her from school two months before graduation.
$20K down the drain. Good riddance. My daughter was furious that she almost got her on probation (campus confinement). She’s had no use for them ever since.
There was a video going around about 10 yrs ago, that showed Indian parents scaling the wall of the school building to help their kids cheat. I can’t find the original, but here is an article that shows a still photo. It was a critical exam that determined whether kids moved on or not so high pressure. Still, the fact that parents were openly doing this, tells me everything I need to know about their culture. Here is the link (I don’t know how to paste it here as an active hyperlink):
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-friday-edition-1.3003183/indian-parents-scale-building-to-help-kids-cheat-on-exam-1.3003755
Somewhat related, but there was a different article that talked about the level of cheating of Asian kids, trying to get into US universities. It was focused more on China than India, but estimate was something like 60% of college entrants were paying test services to falsely write essays for them. It’s a completely different world over there.
JB
If my son does something bad, it’s embarrassing for the family. In India, it’s a loss of izzat, huge.
“In India, it’s a loss of izzat, huge.”
But just like in Muslim lands, it’s only a problem if he gets caught. And it’s only bad if he did whatever to relatives or neighbors.
Agreed.
In 1991 my entering grad school chemistry class had a fair number of foreign Asian students, Chinese, Korean, and Japanese. They were clearly English deficient speakers and the admin laid almost all of the teaching duties on the American students. One entrant obviously could not speak or understand spoken English.
We had shared laboratory class space and I noticed that the students who had foreign TA would all come to my section to listen, and I had to send them back to their own area.
The Asian TAs would only give out A grades and skewed/screwed everything up.
Interesting note: an (I’m assuming) Indian using a Tor VPN tried to leave a nasty response to this. For whatever reason, this comment crushed a lot of izzat.
EDITED BY JW
I use Tor, but I’m not Indian (dot or feather), and I wasn’t reacting to your post about izzat, which rings true.
I reacted to Lamont Cranston’s… let’s say “psychologically fascinating” assertion that (Something not included in Lamont’s comment-JW).
Sure, it’s a big world. Doubtless there’s some 6-sigma “they” — that is, “more than one way-out nut” — who says that, and might even believe it. But LC’s is the first mention of it that I’ve ever seen.
(more here about something Lamont didn’t say-JW).
The assertion is well founded in “their” own main-stream theology and common practice. And yes, it is curious that the imagery fits in with another of that same group’s predilections. It’s almost as if…
Ahhh, gotcha but Lamont’s post had nothing about the deleted bits in it at all, so the attack is weird and baseless. Attack the idea (the actual one), not the person is my preference.
Some cultures clash. This is one. The lack of assimilation is a constant problem, and not embracing the values instilled by the Judeo/Christian ethic prevents a healthy transition to becoming a benefit to the United States. Where it was assumed allowing so many into the United States was a good thing is beyond me, and the majority probably need to be sent home.
jess-
Judeo/Christian ethic is an oxymoron. Invented by Scofield with Zionist funding. “They” have no ethics.
Remember, “they” say Jesus is in hell boiling in a pot of semen.
Um that would be your judeo. Anti-Christ. Destroy White America, White Europe, you tear down what Christ built and the people God chose to spread Christendom to the savage world. There is no hyphen or hash American or Christian. Assimilation is largely a lie. A cope created by scofield whites.
anon-
Agreed. Ethics? Gaza, anyone? Claiming they’re the “J*ws”. BS.
They work cheap and don’t complain when you abuse them.
Wow. In my best Spock with eyebrows properly positioned and everything, ‘Fascinating’.
That explains a lot.
Clearly, the proper course of action is to flood the nation with these jeets and let them build more hundred feet tall statues of their demonic gods….asap….according to Emperor Cheetoh and his technocratic right hand man Musk, anyways.
If that is now MAGA the faster it dies the better.
It is a fatal flaw, and explains how India, despite having a clear advantage in early civilizations by thousands of years, is a failed state. It’s not that there are (however many official) castes, there are a billion castes, with each Indian against each Indian, yet paradoxically they have an imperative to defend this system to the death.
Most vital symbol of TDS: bringing him up in comment sections when the story has nothing to do with him.
Good morning sirs. Elon love us, he not loves u. India will be superpower 2030. Cope harder
You missed a zero: 20300. Anno Domini